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Is this just too far out there, even for Pagans? (My Beliefs)

August 15, 2007 at 8:19 am by mahud

I’m still lacking in my understanding of so many Pagan practices, and I’m still not sure I fit in with the Pagan community. I have from a very long time (over ten years) saturated myself with Pagan imagery and mythologies. I believe I have been learned much (while remaining aware I have so much further to go).

My main interest is the so-called Pagan God man (examples include; Dionysus, Osiris, Mithras, Orpheus, Attis, etc, who are Gods closely connected to with Mystery Religions). I have written much on the subject, both as a Born Again Christian, A Liberal Christian, and Christian heretic, and I have finally stepped outside of the Christian frame work, and want to continue learning about a divine figure I have recently started calling the Threshold God (who dwells in liminal space between destruction and creation of the universe, and has access to the solar gateway to paradise.).

For me the Threshold god has many names including Cernunnos, Moses, Dionysus, Noah, Uta-Napishti, Pippalada, Thor, Proto-Shiva, Shiva, Ganesha, Janus, Buddha, Lleu Llaw Gyffes, Samson The Celtic Dagda, and there are others, and to me they are all the same, regardless of cultural diffusion, integration and reinterpretation over thousands of years.

I also believe in a threshold Goddess, who I also refer to as Mother (Life aspect), Maiden (virgin aspect), and Crone (death aspect), associated with the moon, and the cosmos at large. While the Solar principle if often though of in masculine terms, or the transcendent realm of the Father. I no longer think of the transcendent as masculine, but rather beyond the sexes. Both the Goddess and God whose presence permeates the universe represent the immanence (as does the serpent) of my Panentheism, while the Solar reality represents the transcendent.

I choose for my celestial symbolism the waxing a waning moon (that I refer to as the double-door), and the ever-revolving nature of the cosmos. The solar aspect of my symbolism is the sun, which is a hidden portal (I call the Solar Gateway) in the darkness between the waxing a waning moon to the transcendent realm.

My Threshold God dwells in liminal space between destruction (corresponding with the waxing moon) and creation of the universe (corresponding), and has access to the solar gateway to paradise.). Instead of passing through the eternal gateway, the Threshold god, who dies like the moon and is again reborn as the moon waxes, chooses the remain a part of the cosmos, binding it all together and bestowing upon us many gifts from beyond the fiery gateway.

Much that has led me to this symbol ritual (that I have performed many times in my mind) is the result of reading large amounts of mythology and studying ancient iconography, mainly from the Orient, Near and Middle East, Africa, and Europe.

I feel that I can call myself a Pagan of the Cosmic Mysteries. Though, I assure you, I’m still nothing more than a low grade initiate of my own mythological system.

Am I a Pagan or is this just too far out there, even for Pagans?

Much of what I’ve read recently has made me feel more confidant in sharing my beliefs. A while back I gave up on them, but somehow I feel called to keep travelling down this eclectic, and possibly idiosyncratic path.

If you continue to read Old and New Moons, you will begin to see that I interpret a lot of mythology in cosmogonic terms, from my own perspective with a little help of my comparative studies into mythological themes and motifs.

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8 Comments (Have your say)

  1. Sara

    Comment on August 15, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    This is most definitely not too out there to cry Pagan. Sounds like one of the Pagani to me! ‘Course, having my stamp of approval doesn’t win you much at the carnival… :)

    I’m personally quite intrigued by the Threshold God you postulate, and look forward to hearing more ruminations from you on the subject. Within my own practice, I have a number of what I call the Unnamed Gods - gods that I see as having a number of names throughout history and mythology, and to whom I have assigned my own “title” name in favor of choosing one of their cultural names (though I use those on occasion as well, within certain cultures that I am drawn to in my religious study and practice, such as the Celts). I’m still developing an articulation of the way I approach my own practice as well. :)

    A Threshold God makes a lot of sense to me and the cosmic mythos of binding and gateway is deeply interesting. I’d love to hear more about how some of the cultural god-names you listed embody the Threshold God.

    -S


  2. Aquila ka Hecate

    Comment on August 15, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    As Sara says, nothing, (or almost nothing) is too far out there for the Pagani!

    I found your exposition beautiful, Mahud-you sound to me quite a lot like many Druids I know.

    Threshold God? Have you looked into Chthulu?

    Only joking-I have a love of the liminal, too.
    One foot on land, one in the sea, pouring a libation from one vessel to another.

    Love,
    Terri in Joburg


  3. Cynthia

    Comment on August 15, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    Again, you are Pagan if you say you are. That said, given just this description certainly can land you in the Pagan world. Sounds pretty pagan to me!

    Love the visual of the moons phases being an opening and closing door. Niiiice.

    Cynthia


  4. R.E.

    Comment on August 15, 2007 at 11:47 pm

    Good heavens, no! Your intuitive and thoughtful exploration and distillation of your personal spiritual connection is terrific. I’m amazed that you still doubt your own pagan-ness. ~wink~


  5. kay

    Comment on August 15, 2007 at 11:57 pm

    I second the notion that you are pagan if you say you are Mahud. I’m telling myself this as much as you, because I wonder if I should use the label half the time (damn labels).


  6. mahud

    Comment on August 16, 2007 at 12:00 am

    One thing, I’ve learned is that Paganism embraces individual as well as collective ideas and practices. It was an obstacle not knowing if it was ok to be Pagan, but not Wiccan or a Druid, etc. In other words I worried that my path was too individualistic to be a part of Neo-Paganism, despite my heavy influences from Pagan traditions.

    If it’s ok (and the impression I’m getting is yes) to interpret mythic ideas, symbols and rites and so on, somewhat outside the multi-cultural box, then I’m in :D

    I’d love to hear more about how some of the cultural god-names you listed embody the Threshold God.

    I have broken down my ‘theology’ into twenty one separate categories including the Threshold God. One of my goals is to re-write everything I’ve written so far for a book, as well as an array of blog posts.

    A good mythic example of the Threshold God would be the story of the birth of Moses (which I think in Egyptian means ‘son’ such as Ramases, meaning ‘son of Ra’) as the divine infant, who was cast upon the Nile in a papyrus basket by his Mother (in the role of Death Goddess), and rescued by Pharaoh’s daughter (playing the role of the Life Goddess). Miriam, Moses’ sister (in the role of Maiden), hung around to see what what become of him, witnessing his ‘return to life.’

    The papyrus basket can be compared to the Lunar Boat, that ferries the dead into the afterlife (through the solar gateway), or back into the cosmic realm of the waxing moon. Noah’s Ark is the same thing, caught upon the waters of death and life between the old and new cosmic cycles.

    More replies to comments later. I have to cook dinner :D


  7. mahud

    Comment on August 16, 2007 at 8:17 am

    Have you looked into Chthulu?

    I haven’t heard of Chthulu until now. Looks pretty cool though. I’ll have to read some H.P. Lovecraft some time :D

    Cthulhu reminds me of a monster in The Invisibles, that was born to princess Diana (in the role of Artemis), to be the future king of England. It lived in another dimension, accessible by a magic mirror in Glamis Castle, and ate homeless people who had been hunted fox and hound style from the streets of London. I stopped reading the comic years ago (at around issue 25). I’ll have to check out the graphic novels sometime, so I can find out what happened at the end :)

    btw, Kay (chaotically related to the comments in your Synchronicity and Chaos Part 2 post), Grant Morrison, the writer of The Invisibles was mentioned in the Wiki article on Chaos Magic as a “Notable chaos magician.”


  8. mahud

    Comment on August 16, 2007 at 8:53 am

    Sounds pretty pagan to me!

    Yeah, it’s blatantly Pagan, if you ask me. Again, it’s all out my own fears and stuff. Too afraid to gate crash the Pagan Party, in case I get thrown out.

    I second the notion that you are pagan if you say you are Mahud.

    OK, I’m a Pagan! (There I’ve said it) :D


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