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July 28, 2008 at 10:38 am by mahud

Where were we? Ah yes…

Mahud: …our Paganisms are quite different from each other. I came to Paganism through my study of comparative mythology and World Religions (I forgot to mention all the wonderful Pagan bloggers out there ;) ). Paganism interests me because it provides me with a spiritual foundation that I can build upon. I am also drawn to Paganism because of its organic nature and develops over time naturally, which allowed our ancestors to build upon tried and tested practices, while those practices that are no longer relevant to the community fall out of use (again, I should of credited the writer at A Pagan Sojourn for that revelation). This is basically the way I’m living my Pagan Life. How about you?

From Christianity to Paganism: An Interview (part 1)

Shanny: Before I met you, I didn’t know anything about mythology and still, I only know a few basics, but nothing to develop my faith around. My Paganism is derived more from nature around me. I have always had a strong connection with nature. Especially birds. Now, as a Pagan, it has deepened even more. I see God in all of nature and in the animals. The energy that it produces and the beauty is what really draws me in and brings my connection to the divine. When I first started my path towards Paganism, we bought this book by Scott Cunningham called Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner. The chapter called “Exercises and Magical Techniques” has a section on “Energy Play” where it talks about rubbing your palms together and then placing your hand to a plant or tree. When I was walking home from work, I decided to try this on this big beautiful evergreen. The energy I felt from it was so intense that I felt this energy, tingling and heat through out my body. Then, all the nature around me almost transformed. I saw everything differently. I could see the divine in all the nature around me. In the clouds, trees, grass, birds and other animals around me. I tried it another day and decided not to do the rubbing of my palms, but just to focus on the energy inside of me and focus my mind on the tree. The results were just as intense. The trees energy just rushed into me. Then, in the spring, I could feel the new life flowing through the trunk. One of my favourite things to do now is to sit in a park and just listen to the nature and feel the energy all around me and just talk to God. It gives me so much inner peace and blows me away!

Even before I became a Pagan, I could feel this energy, but didn’t understand what it was. One time, while at a County Fair, I was looking at the different animals. And there was this goose that was looking at me. I stopped and it cocked her head to one side. I spoke to her and said “You know who created you, don’t you?” And the goose nodded her head and I felt this energy rush out of the goose and surround me. And when I hold your hand, Matt, I feel this energy, too. You have so much divine energy streaming from you and I know that is one thing that has drawn me to you and that our connection with each other is from the divine.

Mahud: You said: “I have always had a strong connection with nature…. Now, as a Pagan, it has deepened even more.” I find that quite a revealing statement. I’ve been influenced quite a lot by the forward-thinking Druid blogger Jeff Lilly, who I’ve quoted saying this before: “Different religions are better at different things” (How to Choose a Religion VII: Languages of Spirit). I think that seems to be the case here. Of course, Monotheistic religions promote a love and appreciation of the beauty of nature, but not a deep veneration, which is reserved for God alone (who, while understood as omnipresent, isn’t creation itself), and in the case of Catholicism, there’s veneration (I think) for Mary and the Saints. Like myself, your perception of God seems to be Panentheistic(1).

I also read Scott Cunningham’s Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner, which is quite a good introduction to Wicca(2). I thought the hand rubbing thing was probably a bit dubious, I mean, if you rub your hands together, you don’t need to hold them close apart to feel them tingle. Still, “energy play” is not something I’ve really experimented with as yet, so what do I know, hehe :D .

Clearly, you have a natural connection with the divine energy that surrounds and permeates us (me included apparently, hehe). Unfortunately I’m not quite as tuned in to the sacred as yourself, which is something I need to work on and hopefully develop.

Thanks Shanny, for letting me interviewing you. I’ve enjoyed reading about your experiences, and I’m sure other readers will too.

Shanny: Yeah, I really enjoyed the experience. I found it really helpful to voice what I believe. Thanks for interviewing me Matt!

Footnotes

  1. 1: My perception of Panentheism is that the divine/sacred transcends the cosmos but is also the cosmos; a kind of ’sacrifice’ of divine essence that constitutes All Things (including us), not merely existing within everything. An Idea found in many mythologies.
  2. 2: However, I’d already become familiar with most of the ideas contained within Scott’s book on the net. I’d recommend the Blue Moon tradition: Solitary Study for those interested.
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  1. Cat Chapin-Bishop

    Comment on July 29, 2008 at 6:29 am

    What a lovely piece! I really enjoyed this dialog. It was nice to see how things have unfolded for you both.

    Loved the picture, too.

    Blessed be!


  2. Cat Chapin-Bishop

    Comment on July 29, 2008 at 6:43 am

    Oh, yes–I nearly forgot.

    Mahud–”energy play” might be something you would enjoy working with, if you can set aside your temptation to dismiss it for a bit. I say this because spending enough time with energy work and sensing energies can bring you in touch with your body in ways that might just be helpful in managing the SA. No quick fixes or overnight cures–I’m not making large claims, here. It’s a slow transformation, more like the way over time people like your grandmother develop that light in their eyes.

    But working with the body and with sensing intuitively the “energy” (quotes to show we don’t know what it is, but it’s certainly not something you’d measure with a volt meter) of the world around you may help you be more grounded and less overwhelmed in the situations that trigger your SA symptoms. The centering into the body stuff is especially good, so practices like Tai Chi and Aikido could be helpful–though really learning how the energy flows with them (as opposed to simply moving through the motions without energy flow) would be very difficult to do from books. Likewise practices like the LBRP from ceremonial magick–which I suspect would appeal to your intellectual side, but are really only effective when you have learned to use breath and focus to move energy, not just to move your body from pose to pose while saying some Hebrew words.

    The difficulty is the instruction needed to get to that initial level of flow, which might be challenging…

    Reiki might help, too–and there, much less in-person instruction would be needed to get you started. Once you have had an attunement, the main thing that is needed is practice, practice, practice… and any living thing, including cats, potted plants, or Shanny, would be able to help you with that.

    Sorry–you didn’t ask for advice, and here I’ve dumped a platter of it in front of you! But if you can find a way to make energy work, and particularly energy work within the body, a part of your daily life for a year or two, I think you would notice some good things coming out of it. That’s all.

    Whatever you do, though, I’m glad you’re out here, writing and connecting with all of us in the Pagan and spiritual blogosphere. Bright blessings, friend. :)


  3. Grian

    Comment on July 29, 2008 at 11:38 am

    What a fascinating interview. I’ve really enjoyed reading the multiple views on Paganism and the amiable way it was discussed.


  4. mahud

    Comment on July 30, 2008 at 2:43 am

    Hi, Cat.

    I think it’s a pretty good pic of us. I actually took it myself. I don’t have a timer or anything fancy like that, just very long arms :D

    Sorry–you didn’t ask for advice…

    I bought a bag of fortune cookies the other day. Today (actually it was yesterday now) my fortune was “Rely on long time friends to give you advice,” hehe :) . I guess I’ve known you for about a year, so I guess that fairly longish ;)

    I really appreciate any advice you might have.

    It’s not that I’m totally dismissive of “energy,” I just thought the hand rubbing thing most likely has an empirical scientific reason behind it, rather than the more ‘magical’ kind.

    I’m definitely interesting in chi/qi energy. My dad, who is a martial artist (he practices Classical Ving Tsun) told me once that he can actually feel it flowing through his body (my dad’s a very honest guy so I believe him when he tells me stuff like that). He taught me a couple of basics including arm movements and how to centre your body, which I haven’t practised for years, but it might be a good idea to start again.

    I’ll have to do a little bit of reading up on the LBRP. I’ve already found a couple of interesting articles regarding it on the web.

    My main focus is on breathing and meditation, but the SA makes it difficult for me to keep my mind in one place (I’m sure this is a problem for a lot of people, but even more so for myself), but like you said it takes practice and determination, and I’ve been convinced for a while now that meditation is foundational both to my Pagan Practice and mental/physical health.

    We are both happy you enjoyed the interview!


  5. mahud

    Comment on July 30, 2008 at 3:00 am

    Thanks Grian. Glad you enjoyed it :)


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